MOVING AROUND THE DIAMOND.....LETS GO TO SHORTSTOP
HERE'S WHERE THE DEBATE GETS HEATED....
Here's the Mets side:
Jose Reyes is the everyday SS for his team..last year he only missed 2 games...
his BA is usually around 290- 300 and his speed is 2ND to none in baseball..80Sb...
defensively he is one of the best if not the best SS in the league....
this years numbers look like 300 BA with 93 Sb (this # goes up as he struggled to get on base in august & September in 07) and i believe his hr will be up as well..
PS. he had over 700 Ab's (include walks) last year...WOW!!!
even though you could say he struggled last season...Reyes is one of the most talented players in baseball..and this year sky's the limit for this NY SS...wish you could say the same for that other NY SS..( wow i never thought i could say Jeter's name in that way...).....but it's true.....
I BELIEVE THE METS HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD!! 2 TO 1
now lets here from those overrating Yankee fans.....
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NY YANKEES SHORT STOP
Although Derek Jeter's Range at short stop isn't what it should be, There is no way around the fact that Jeter is a hit machine. Derek averages 208 hits a year with a 317 career Batting average. Jeter is no slouch on the base paths either, due to the fact that hes always on them. Jeter has a career 388 OBP and is good for at least 25 stolen bases a year. A big knock on Jeter is his lack of power, But he does average 34 doubles with 5 triples a year. His post season stats is what separates him from the rest.
G 123 AB 495 R 85 H 153 2B 22 3B 3 HR 17 RBI 49 BB 51 SO 96 BA .309 OBP .377 SLG.469 SB 16
I know its difficult to judge and compare by bringing up post season stats because Derek played in 25 post season series. But still .....
The clutch factor is something that Jeter critics Don't want to hear but again, you cant argue with the numbers.
With runners in scoring position in 2007, he hit .354/.426/.456. With the bases loaded he hit .500/.538/.583 and drove in 12 runs in 13 plate appearances. Who’s complaining now?
When Derek Does hit Home runs he makes them count, last year, although Derek only hit 12 long balls 6 of them were against the Red Sox . 4 of the six was when the game was tied one of the six the Yank's were down one and the other they were down four. 2 of his home runs came against the Mets one of them they were up one the other they were down one.. out of the 4 remaining a pair of them they were down 1 and one of them they were tied.
I think you pretty much get my point. Jeter hits them when they count.
Besides for being Mr Clutch, theirs that special something that Jeter has that you cant seem to explain. He always comes up big in the field at huge times etc...
With all that being said, I do think that Derek is vastly overrated. But that doesn't mean that he isn't good, It just means that he isn't what hes made out to be. But you can say the same about Jose Reyes. All I have been hearing over the past couple of years is that Reyes is one of the best players in the game. I beg to differ. Is he talented? of course hes talented . But so is Willy Mo Pena. I know Reyes Has put together a couple of really nice seasons. But the facts remain, His career avg for on Base is a 330 which is abysmal for a lead off hitter. His career batting avg is a 284 and he barely walks with a career avg of 48 a season. Will these numbers improve? Of course they will .
What Reyes brings to the table is Speed , speed and more speed with very solid glove plus range and a canon for an arm.
I guess what I'm trying to say is the rest of the baseball world has anointed Reyes to be the something that he has potential to be but hes just not there yet and at the same time Derek Jeter suddenly fell off the radar entirely. Which in my eyes is totally unfair and not accurate.
(With the emergence of Fantasy baseball over the past few years I think the value of Reyes has skyrocketed to new limits which makes his value a bit tainted.)
Jeter, who turns 34 this season, is sitting on 2356 hits. I’d say that he has a very good shot to end his career in the top ten all time hits leaders and possibly even in the top five. That’s not too shabby.
Its not such a give in to hand the Mets the award of the better Short Stop In NY.
Both arguements are really good ones.
It will take some time to think about the winner of this one should be.
OUTCOME
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First Base -Mets ? (Delgado's injury may tilt the scales in the Yankee favor)
Second Base- Yankees
Short Stop- TBD ( Jeter will probably have the better year but reyes has the potential to be GREAT. )
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The fact of the matter is that this character named "abie dweck" is delusional and is one of the worst debaters I have ever encountered in my lifetime.
To have the audacity to rip Jeter and promote Reyes as if he is Jesus's son is an outrage. Does Reyes have more hype about his bat? Yes. Does it mean its stronger then Jete's? In my opinion you are out of your mind for thinking so. Met fans make it like this guy is wackin 40 HR a year for cryin out loud! the fact of the matter is that they both had 12 HR last year and I can garuntee you that reyes' werent half as clutch as Jete's (as seen by sammy's in depth homer by homer analysis). Reyes has had nearly 4 full years of playing time in the majors (he did go down with those famous "running style injuries" earlier in his career). Meanwhile, Jeter hit .322 while Reyes batted a mere .280
In summation to the offensive production: Jeter kicks Jose's dominican butt. Even though Reyes had 8 more triples Jeter is comprable or has the advantage IN EVERY OTHER FREAKIN CATEGORY SO GET OVER IT! then throw in the fact that he hits the ball when it counts (as you can read the stats over as many times as you please thanks to sam's argument) and its not even close, as jeter wipes the floor with reyes.
You want to argue that Reyes is better in the field? I say probably but keep in mind they both have identicle Fielding %'s for their career. Reyes has more range now? Yeh he does, but no one runs into the outfield and makes those over the shoulder catches like Jete. Reyes has a bullet arm? Yeh, but Jetes isnt exactly Bernie williams or damon who cant hit 20 MPH if they threw out their arms... Take into account that Jeter is also a leader and Gen. on the field every day (as you can see on youtube by watching "the toss" when he cut off the relay throw from right field and flipped it to posada against the A's in the playoffs) and I would not trade what I have in Jeter for Reyes.
Adding to Abie's stupidity, he had the audacity to say that Reyes is going to get better bc he slumped BADLY at the end of the season (hows that for ANTI-CLUTCH met fans? we didnt forget u had the greatest september collapse in history just because u got santana...all along where was reyes for you then?). The way reality works is that everyone slumps, I dont think I have ever seen a guy other then barry bonds be hot for an entire season, and you cant say that reyes is going to do better next year and not slump, thats just a stupid comment. plain and simple. In addition to the "He's getting better" card met fans like to play here is a fact for you: HE HAS BEEN GETTING CONSISTENT MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYING TIME FOR 5 YEARS NOW (whenever he is healthy enough to play that is). HOW MUCH BETTER CAN HE POSSIBLY GET?!
We have the same situation with cano and i can garuntee you that once he gets to the point where he has seen time in the Majors for 5 years we will pretty much know what we have and cant say "o he's still a baby and hes getter better" HADJE. ENOUGH.
Shortstop Verdict:
Yankees: Win
Mets: Loose (like every year since 1986)
Probably the greatest post of all time
Thank you... Imagine what I could put out when I'm not in work!
wow...first off i was saying that eventhough he slumped last season...most good hitters are able to rebound and i think he will...secondly when derek was 23 he had 190 hits and reyes had 194....
and third we are comparing based on their production in 08' so back off...i understand that jeter is clutch..and everything that comes with that...but reyes is on his way up and jeter isnt in his prime anymore...
oh and of course when jeter hits his hr they all wIn games and when reyes hits them the mets are 10 up or 10 down..please!!!theres that old yankee ego coming out! the fact is that just like jeter's on his way down the yankees are as well..so wake up ..throw some hot water on ur face ...and try and realize that your team is on the way out...and that the mets are on the way up...with one of its leaders at ss....
as far as his stats...and him overall...i will agree with anyone that this year is a critical one in his career(reyes)..eventhough hes only 24/25...he must show that he can get over slumps ...and prove to the mlb world that he is worth they hype...and i think that he will..
and btw they both have about the same amount of walks in their first 3 full seasons...jeter(48+74+57) reyes(27+53+77)....not so much of a difference....so theres ur stats....
u can say what u want...i believe that reyes will blow people away this year...and that the page will be turned on the best ss in ny....its jose reyes....
oh and jeter strikes out about 20% more than reyes...jeter in his 2nd full season in the bigs had 125 k while reyes career high is 81 k...
i understand that you have to include all of jeters stats against jose's and it is hard to compare a guy like reyes who is up and coming and this year will have to prove his status....against a proven 13 season vet...and i loved watching jeter play...but his long successful reign as being the best ss in ny is over...
ps..i am not a yankee basher...so i am not saying this based on me being a mets fan...this is just what i believe...try to bring some proof to it...and thats all...
just try to live with the fact that your team is on the way down..and your captain along with all the rookies that they have this year....whether it be in the starting rotation(3)...or in that bullpen(at least 4 rookies in there)..are not going to get it done this season...cmon what team is successful with 7 rookies out of 12 pitchers on a team.....
the reigns have already been passed on to boston in ur division...and we (i know the mets..but i had to say we) are in the process of taking over ny..so sit back relax and try and wake up from this dream that you are having...and dont worry cuz all be well in metsland....
ill end off with a lil humor...
what do u get when u combines citi and shea....
i cant write it on this blog but take the first 2 letters in SHea and the last 3 in cITI and Put it together...
Listen, I'm very sorry to say this because I like to be fair and polite, but I couldnt even finish reading your rebuttle. It was filled with nonsense and filp-flopping.
First you wish to argue that you cant look at jete's career stats only last season. You then point out that Reyes had a down year (which his stats do not indicate as it was basically his ML averages over there) BUT FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT LAST YEAR WAS CONSIDERED A DOWN YEAR FOR THE JETER AS WELL. and guess what? EVEN IN HIS DOWN YEAR HE STILL WAS BETTER THEN REYES WAS.
You then like to argue that Reye's has the POTENTIAL to be better and post better numbers. What you dont realize is i could care less about his potential. WHAT HAS REYE'S DONE FOR ME LATELY THAT WOULD MAKE ME CHOOSE HIM OVER JETER? Your answer Mr. Abie: NOTHING. Last year Jeter had the same Fielding %, Better BA and all offensive stats other then triples (I'll manage to survive w/o them considering we have a-rod to knock him in before he even holds the bat). Hows that for stats? Then u throw in Jeters clutch numbers for last season which my boy Sammy provided for you in the initial argument and you have a hands down winner in "Numba 2, Derek Jeter, Numba 2"
Then to continue on your rampage of utter nonsense and foly, you go on to contradict yourself by bringing in Jete's stat line for the first three years (mind you only raising the stats the Reye's came close with while failing to mention that in Jeter's first year, his batting average was 14 POINTS HIGHER THEN REYE'S ENTIRE ON BASE PERCENTAGE! which is not something Im going to get into now so back on to your royal trashing). What happened to comparing the here and now and not bringing up Jete's old stats??? huh? huh????? THATS RIGHT JETER OWNS REYES IN THE EARLY YEARS AS WELL AS IN THE PRESENT.
Now I'm not saying that Jose Reyes doesnt have great potential but you know what that means till you actualize it? NOTHING. Ruben Rivera had just as much potential as Reyes at one point in his carrer. Result: Only potential that he realized and came to fruition was his klepto potential and even then he got busted for stealing jeters goods. Basicaly: HIS POTENTIAL RIGHT NOW MEANS AS MUCH TO THIS ARGUMENT AS THE SIDE EFFECTS OF MY MOTHERS CHULLENT! CRAP!! FARTS!! NOTHING!!!
So when you argue who has the better SS for next season just take a look at last seasons numbers when they were both slumping and you have your winner in Derek F#$%ing Jeter!
Now also one last thing, to say that Jeter is no longer in the prime of his career...Why would u say that? his numbers were still AMAZING (not worth 20 mill but still amazing stats). So he had a year where he was a little slow, the same way you try and say "O this is the year that Reyes reaches his potential" I say touche' and "This year jeter came into camp in phenominal shape and will return to the form of two years ago when he was robbed of MVP." Yes last year was a down year and he batted .314 for crying out loud. I dont think its farfetched to say that he cant replicate the season of two years ago when you consider that it was the year before that that he started off hitting .097 in the first 4 months and then batted .500 the rest of the season to bring it up to .296! That a year and a half of MVP ball he played before last season and you can easily write off the one season as a blip and a fluke!
Thank you, and if you are a true honest person you will admit that you just got beat on every SINGLE point that you raised, in addition to admiting that as we stand in Spring Training right now the Yankees have the better SS. When Reyes reaches that potential we all speak of for a complete season then you come on back to me and I might admit you have a better SS... But I wont admit it until he does it for AT LEAST a full season.
O yea and on the note that my team is on the way down... Who has made the postseason a record 13 consecutive times? The Yankees. What season does that include making the playoffs? Last season. Did the Mets make the postseason last year? No. Do the Mets have a starting rotation half as good as the Yankees? Not at all. You have santana and then a bunch of guys that look good...IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE THAT IS! Im sorry to inform you that while Beltran and Pedro are nursing injuries from last season the Yankees are currently at full strength...Sorry but the Yankees have a brighter outlook DESPITE PLAYING IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. Please let me know how it feels to get you butt kicked in so many ways in such a short period of time. Does it make the butt bleed from all of the lacerations? Be well,
Die Hard Yankee Fan
First off, morris m, you're a good writer and arguer, but as a die hard yankee fan, I totally disagree with you.
Reyes is so much better than jeter & I'll take him any day of the week- even october.
Regarding their identical fielding % - they don't charge errors if you don' come near the ball- which is exaxtly what jeter did on a nightly basis.
Sitting in Lodge section 15 in the stadium last year, night after night I was shocked at how few balls jeter gets to. He doesn't even try on balls up the middle. HIS RANGE IS DISGUSTING.
I guarantee you mo shamma, max sutton, and henry shalom have more range than jeter. and no im not kidding.
Sam you said he's good for at least 25 sb a year- well i think you should go revise that original post. He's only done it 4 times in twelve years.
Jeter isn't BETTER in the postseason- he's just the same as always- maybe a little less even. However, not many guys can say that. But his numbers don't go up.
Sam, I was thinking it while reading your original post- and then you wrote it- that fantasy baseball is the source for reyes' crazy hype (I have an early pick in my draft and i'm considering him).
Yes, I agree- Reyes is greatly overrated. He's nowhere near rickey henderson. But guess what? Jeter is doubly overrated.
oh, by the way- just spoke with abie dweck and asked him if he's insane to say jeter is better. he does not agree with sam & mo. He i sick as a dog and tired of reading morris m's chronicles.
All i have to say is im loving this! Morris M i thank you for giving pecker a huge but whipping for even trying to compare Reyes to Captain Clutch! I still cant believe he would try and do it. But now that its done i can just read laugh and enjoy as Abie Dweck manages to make him self sound like an idiot yet again. The funny thing is that not every mets fan thinks like abie ive had countless conversations with many mets fans that say they would rather take jeter for the next 5 years over reyes any day. I mean imagine jeter not running out a ground ball! Ill end it at this when Jeter was 21 we know that he had "IT" while Reyes at 25(turns 25 in June) we are still wondering
oh and btw...if the mets had jeter instead of reyes for this season 08'...then the phillies win the division...
oh and to understand how good reyes is when he is on base he creates havack for the opposing teams pitcher..to prove that all u have to look at is the numbers paul lo duca put up in 06'...he batted .318 and we all know that lo duca is not that good..
also...watch the best pitcher in baseball on friday at 1pm on sny...
I love jeter- but I just don't think he's better than reyes.
the 5 tools:
power- Jeter's high is 24. Reyes should beat that
Speed- Ha
Avg- Jeter
defense- Reyes easily
arm- reyes
that's all i need
oh and "max" all those mets fans you speak of are the yankee fans that converted to mets fans...and as much as i hate seeing fake fans at shea...its just proof that the tide is changing in ny
very good stuff i enjoyed reading all of that.
First base mets
2nd base yankees
3rd base yankees
left feild tie
center feild mets
right feild yanx
Short stop METS
Catcher yanx
2nd catcher mets
another fun stat... if u look at TB and include all the SB... reyes wins by a landslide...
just to expand this argument and see where each person sees the others ss...give me ur top 15 ss in mlb...this way we can see exactly where each person stands on this issue
Max N how can you say that Reyes should have more HRS????? How? He had 7,19,12 in his first 3 full seasons while Jeter had 10,10,19 - now i hate having to compare jeters earlier season but abie you brought it up. Anyways the reason for this post is to show that you cant say that Jeters power is decreasing i mean he hit 10 in 97 the 19 in 98, 15 in 2000 and 21 in 01, 10 in 03 and 23 in 04- so there you see you cant realy say that his power in decreasing bec history shows that hes never been consistent with his homers- and power should not be a tool for a 1-2 hitter and jeter knows this the job for a leadoff hitter is to get on base not hit home runs, while the number 2 hitters job is to advance the leadoff hitter if he gets on base , if he doesnt then he has to get on base himself. So to say that reyes has more power first off all isnt true and second off all doesnt make a difference. And you also left out a very important part about jeter ... his intangibles which are so important to a winning baseball team and from what i have seen in reyes he doesnt have a lick of it (hes not david wright) and you cant teach that stuff its either you have it or you dont. Now if you want to argue about whos the better fantasy player ill %100 tell you reyes but is that what you and sam are arguing about????? No, this is about who is a better fit to make a championship run. Now back to jeter whos on his way down, all i have to say is what are you smoking my friend. Jeter should have been the MVP only 2 seasons ago while he was also and MVP candidate in 99 (i agree he shouldnt have won that one). So when you say that he is on his way down thats just plain ol dumb. Now abie please tell me one person that changed from a met fan to a yankee fan bec i know none. And even if i did i would never talk to them about baseball. So your theories are still pointless and untrue
and rank them based on what they will do in 08'
where is avi I. in all of this ...in shul either this or last weekend..he was asking me if mets fan accepted converts....
and i know that he thinks that jeter is vastly overrated...
as i sit here popping pills for my shoulder,cough, food poisoning, cold etc...
ive realized the philosophical(ness) behind this..
yankee fans see jeter..the crew cut guy who is clean not so much fun and jokes but gets the job done in the yankee (crew cut army way)
mets fans see reyes as their type of player..has fun joking around and stealing bases..with a canon as an arm and the potential to improve beyond what he is already...
i believe each team has the best player suited for their team...or the team that has been created around that player...they are both great talents that are in good situations with their teams..one is beginning his career..one is toward the middle-end....
aside from this argument..
who has a better chance of winning their league(nl or al) mets or yankees....and understand that i know that the nl sux and the al is awesome...ok...
Here we go. I just checked my phone and i spoke to max n about this issue for one hour and 4 min. we were shouting at each other for a good half hour and trust me my voice is extremley horse. This is what we came out with.
Next year jeters numbers are projected to be - 323 ba 387 obp 14 hr 23 sb. reyes's numbers are projected to be -280 ba 350 obp 10 hr 80 sb.
For this season jeters numbers will be better. so for a one year deal this season jeters numbers prob will be better but its a good arguement that reyes's potential could outshine jeters potential. But for the next 5 years is the real arguement. max n gave a great metaphore(mashal) would you rather take a job(warehouse) that garauntees you 50 k a year potential for 60 k a year ? or would you rather take a job(Salesman) that garauntees you 40 k with the potential of 85k(but everything has to break right) a year. Im of the mind set take the higher garaunteed money(jeter).
Another interesting point we both agreed on is we both would rather take jeters complete(H.O.F.)career as a whole than Reyes's (Iffy)career as a whole (when its complete. This arguement isnt as simple as both sides are making it out to be.......
ps...reyes will be better than "280 ba 350 obp 10 hr 80 sb"...i mean thats what he did last year..
and he struggled for 2 months...
ontop of that ur projecting jeters numbers to go up...
wow what 2 yankee fans can do with projections
Reyes with runners in Scoring Posn, 2 out last season ,
AB 87 R 25 H 17 2B 3 3B 3 HR 1 RBI 21 BB 21 SO 11 SB 7 CS 2 AVG. 195 OBP.352 SLG.333 OPS .685
jeter with runners in Scoring Posn, 2 out last season was ,AB 67 R28 H 28 2B 3 3B 0 HR 2 RBI33 BB5 SO 8 SB 2 CS 1 AVG.418 OBP.473 SLG.552 OPS 1.025
These numbers dont even compare. (look at BA OBP SLG OPS HITS RBI's) their all better in less ab's)
the avg is one point off(and last year was a down year) the obp is the same(career avg) i gave him 2 more hr(which is fair) I gave him 8 more sb which isnt crazy. I still stand by my reyes numbers as well
hahahhahaha pecker i dont know how your still arging lol, face it:
1B- Mets
2B-Yanks
SS-Yanks
3B-? (Yanks)
Sam What sane person would take 50 k with 60k potential over 43k with 85-90k potential?
wanna work for me?
i agree...sam the fact that you take jeter over reyes in that example takes away all ur credibility...
I love how abie admitted he was wrong, but now he forgot he did so
the point is, regardless of what the future may hold you can not predict Reyes to hit 25 HR if he only had 12 last year. His BA is going to be around .280 met fans so accept it, thats his career avg after 4 years in the big leagues...you wanna say he slumped last year? fine, but that doesnt explain why HIS CAREER AVG. IS .280 so obviously it wasnt that much of a slump year now was it???
You want to say that he will bat for 10 points higher? fine I can live with that but that is still over 20 points away from Jeter's next year BA, and thats on a Jeter down year...
I think its really pretty obvious that Jeter is still a better pick for next year then Reyes and if you want to say who would you rather have the next 10 years then yea its reyes because hell still be playing in 10 years while jeter realistically only has 5 left...
I think that is where all you met fans think that reyes is better, because if I were starting a franchise right now, I would want reyes too i mean the guy is GOING TO BE GREAT ONE DAY. But for the next 3-5 years??? I take Jeter every day, even on purim when I'm completely wrecked...
momike that was solid
Mo mike solid text- Pecker you and Max N look like complete fools
i feel like i'm talking to teenagers.
can you cut out the nonsense and talk strictly on baseball skills?
it's not even close
the fact that u say that reyes is a 280 hitter is where u lose ur credibility the guy has 3 full seasons and at his best last year he was batting over 300...he did struggle in the last month and a half so bad that it dropped to 280...so all these stats that sam and morris are throwing out there that he will bat 280 with 5 hr and 80 sb..is bogus....because wat u forget is that he can and will improve off of those numbers...ur thinking in the ways of jeter that what uve seen in the past 13 seasons is passed him and hoping for similar numbers to last years...whereas reyes' years are ahead of him and can olny go up...had not been for the slump he would be close to 95 sb last year with a 300 ba...so relax on bashing a UP AND COMING GUY and using the terminology of a GUY WHOSE PRIME IS PASSED HIM...(prime is 27-33)
by the way everyone should know that sammy sutton himself called the max kellerman show a few months ago, screaming that reyes is much better than jeter.
I spoke with him before and after he called, and I heard it with my own ears.
max n. said...
i feel like i'm talking to teenagers.
can you cut out the nonsense and talk strictly on baseball skills?
it's not even close
I AM TALKING ABOUT SKILLS. Reality is that Jeter's tools and skills now are better then Reyes RIGHT NOW. In 3 years? who knows! Reyes could turn out and post the same avgerage numbers he's been putting up (other then the SB where its RETARDED) or he can finally bust out all this potential that you met fans have been waiting for about 4-5 years....
Point is that if we are strictly talking skill, for this season, then Jeter is the man. Thank you Abie for man-ing up and admiting to it and Max N you are an impotent fool who makes the decision by the founding fathers of this country look like complete a$$-holes for granting the right of freedom of speech.
and even if reyes does hit .280 this year, it might be worth it to get his stellar defense, arm, and stolen bases.
Imagine if the guy actually imporves!!!
i still can't believe sam will take a 50k job over a 43k job that has potential for 90k.
ok ive had it sam im done till i get an apology from this kid
ok Max N its official you have no idea what your talking about, sam do not apologize to this guy, since he has no idea what hes talking about, you canot compare a salary of 43k and 50k and upside of 80k bec its not upside that were talking about right now we are talking about this season and this season alone and hands down jeter wins. Enough said!
As for abie didnt you right this a couple of hours ago?
"i will concede that i have lost every argument that i had....it is hard to prove someone over such a proven player...but i still believe that reyes will show his potential this season...so making the case for potential over the yankee captain has failed me...ill give in to that..."
-what happened you cant remeber things like you did in hs huh?, i aslo spoke with david harari just now who is a mets fan and said like i said in previous posts "id take jeter any day over reyes" - he also said abie that before the mets got santana you were cursing out the team claiming that you wouldnt go to one game this year and that you had enough of them- way to show of your loyalty
i meant to sya "write"
for reasons that me and sam spoke on the phone about...
SAM U R A PHONY!!!!!!!
and to all the rest of u...u r the type of yankee fan that goes to a game and still thinks that paul oneil is in right field...A BUNCH OF PHONY FANS!!!
i didnt say that i wouldnt go to a game....i said that i would have a hard time cheering for guys that i saw playing for the nats....and was pissed off on the milledge deal..i just changed my way of getting tix...cuz the mets tix prices went up and on ebay u could get field box tix to a regular game for 40 bux each...instead of paying the mets 40 for upper box...i never said that i wasnt going to games....
my loyalty never changed...last year i went to 13 games...this year b4 the trade happened and even b4 the mets put tix on sale..i had 4 tix to a game in phili...from a phili season ticket holder...and i have the 2nd home game tickets and i have last game at shea...as well as jewish heritage day and seat cushion day...so just so you know i had all those b4 they went on sale...and am waiting for the mets to send them to the season holders to send to me...also after the deal...i bought opening day...the third home game...and first home game...
so relax with all the loyalty stuff...
and like the commercial says thats "challenging my manhood" lol...
LETS GO METS!
the last one was first sunday home game
i know i said i conceded..i just wanted it to end there and when max n and sam called me about it i said there is no way that i think he is better...i just wanted it to end and now with nearly 50 comments sam got his entertainment value....then i really didnt think it cared..feeling sick with a messed up shoulder..got physical therapy on it 3 times a week...and cant roll over when i sleep...
i know sam wants this to beat the old record of comments for a post i think it was about 116..somewhere near there...
Abie you just said it yourself you got all those tickets but AFTER they got Santana, anyways Sam its 2-1 Yanks put it in the books even pecker agreed
i got the first ones b4 johan and after the trade..i got the other ones after ..yes i got the 3rd home game for johan as well as the first suday game for johan...so wat i want to see him pitch..so i got about 10 tix b4 johan and 8 after...so thats 18 tix...
oh and morris m..u called max n impotent...i didnt know u knew him that well..and i think thats y he said he is boycotting which nonw of u care about...so yay
Bottom line after me and Abie just talked the answer to who has the better SS is...... TBD(to be determined
sam if ur saying that i said tbd ur crazy its reyes all the way and the fact that ur giving in means that u believe that reyes is better...so the score is 2-1...PUT IT IN THE BOOKS!!
bottom line is Momike your awesome greatest post ever!!!! Max I agree with everything you said pecker is an idiot for comparing captian clutch to someone who wont even run out ground balls....and Max N you are a disgrace to Yankee fans everywhere why dont you take your fanship to queens and leave room in yankee stadium for one more real fan.....and Sam if you do not put Jeter as the winner in this competition I will put you in the same category as Max N
your all crazy and i feel terrible for the way ur all gonna feel in october...
btw the mets are shopping jorge sosa and scott schoenweiss do u think that teams are that desperate for pitching?...
i do...
they might even improve the yankee bullpen...what do u think each of them are worth?
this also means that if they are traded that el duque will prob end up in bullpen...and pelfrey as the fifth starter...
one interesting note...the mets were 16-8 in games that el duque started last season...not bad for a bunyan...
on a mets blog.....metsfever...they list the mets "INFIRMARY"..here is his list:
Amby Burgos (arm)
Ben Johnson (ankle)
Brian Schneider (legs)
Carlos Beltran (Knees)
Carlos Delgado (hip)
Damion Easley (ankle)
Endy Chavez (ankle)
Jose Valentin (knee)
Luis Castillo (Knees)
Marlon Anderson (ribs)
Orlando Hernandez (foot)
Ruben Gotay (ankle)
Ryan Church (Concussion)
also today on boomer and carton...
carton was discussing the hip problem that delgado has and said that when he was looking it up that people with that injury usually end up replacing their hip....he basically was on a low after he was on such a high going into friday with johans first spring training start...one caller even called up and stated "is this the ny mets suicide hotline?"...im just glad that we can get all this out now..and hopefully tino martinez can come out of retirement for us...
Jouish i couldnt agree with you more, Guys this vote is not about who is the better fantasy player, or who is the better player for the future, this vote is for who would you rather have to lead your team to a championship THIS YEAR. I mean how many times do we have to prove it even Pecker said he was wrong. Sam as much as i love you, if captain clutch doesnt win this vote then samiamNOT, dont let the door hit you on the way to Queens.
Also Pecker dont start with the bullpen bec there will be a time for that where you will see that the yankees are far more superior. (but thats for another time)
And i would like to conclude that in response to recent developments i think there should be a new voter for first base being that giambi has been ripping it up and delgado.. well he isnt going to be playing much, yet i know its early so i wont urge it any more but if this continues till late March then well ill just bring it up again
Jeter's last 3 Seasons: .333 .364 .619
.500 .529 .938
.176 .176 .176
Jeter's Career Postseason Stats: .309 .377 .469
Jeter's Career Season Stats: .317 .388 .462
Remember that in the Postseason, the pitching gets a lot better. Jeter has been super clutch most post seasons but last year he would hit into multiple double plays to end rallies. He would also get hits to start 2 out rallies at the same time. Very inconsistent if you ask me.
Willie Randolph has said that he will hold back Reyes a little this year on the bases in order to keep him more fresh this year. So Don't expect 90 SB's
Jeter is a veteran, and you know what you will get from him. He is not on the downside of his career.
Reyes is young and does not have enough of a career to successfully predict his numbers for next season but that also means that he still has the ability to increase his overall #'s.
Jeter wins this year!!
NEXT Victim!!
once again how many times can i say this...based on previous stats it is hard to prove that reyes will have a better year then jeter...which is what i said when i said i concede all my arguments...but based on the fact that jeter is getting older and his stats have gone down however slightly in the past years...i believe that reyes will have a better year then jeter...thats all...u cam bring stats u can bring clutch etc...i haven't mentioned fantasy once..u are the ones that have brought it up more than 10 times...you just dont understand what reyes brings to the table...and in no way am i ripping jeter..i just believe that reyes is the better of these 2.
so max, then angel pagan is ripping it up now for the mets so he will hit 45 hr with 99 sb during the season with a 425 ba...and johan will be 0-35 with a 18.00 era right? cmon!
i agree that giambi will have a good year this year...now that the spotlight is off of him...but lets not crown him just yet....
cmon use common sense....
and if u believe that the yankee bullpen is better then the mets than i think u should seek help!
Abie that why i said i know its early and i wont persue this matter.
Now you said that Jeters numbers have been been down slightly is recent yearS, are you nuts!!!! the guy had should have been the MVP the year before last !!!! and untill Jeter puts up back to back numbers like last year (317) which in fact is very good just not great, you cant say that bec he has had years like last and history shows that he comes back from it to have monster years every time.
And Abie ive noticed you have been keeping away from the intangibles....Jeter is a leader on and off the field... he is a field general and will always make sure the other fielders are in position, back to Reyes the guy is lazy the NY post makes it a big deal if he tries to run out one ground ball...Jeter will never take a play off and that translates to his teammates as well. So if it is even somewhat close with the stats (which btw Jeter still has an advantage) the intangibles should make it obvious to any intelligent baseball fan that Jeter is the clear winner. And Sam Max is right dont let the door slam on the way out!!
abie im still waiting for your response
u said that he keeps rebounding..thats when he was younger now he is older and unless he is on roids...ur supposed to get worse as u get past ur early 30's...so thats y i believe that his numbers will go down...
this debate is who will have a better year in 08' stats not who has more GF's louis....or who commits tax fraud...
oh and i just looked at an interesting stat..jeter's low for k's in a year is 88 with all other 11 seasons being over 99 and a high of 125..
reyes high for k's is 81...theres a leadoff number for u...
and if u question reyes walks he has improved that drastically over the past 2 years...and last year he had 77 which matches jeters 2nd highest total over 12+ seasons...
oh and louis if its close then look defensively...where there is no comparison!!!jeter cant get any balls hit to his left cant go up in the middle...and all those jumping throws that they call jeteric or wtvr..reyes makes in his sleep with a cannon as an arm...
Pecker you dont know what your talking about because if your bringing leadoff numbers then not only should you bring up the ealks and strikeouts, but what about the MAIN number for a leadoff batter which is 300,354,354 which is like jeters BA . and as for the fielding in the last 3 years jeters Feilding % is .974 and reyes is .975- granted ill give you reyes arm but some of the balls the jeter gets to are realy unbelievable so the diff in fielding is not that big of a diff. at all. And what does GF have to do with anythinmg?
And you keep saying hes old the guy had an MVP year less then 2 years ago!!!!!!!! Shouldnt a guy with Jeters Pedigree deserve a little bit more respect, then to say hes old after one year of hitting .317 which he has hit in the past????????
Your talking out of your but!
OMG!!!!! do u think that jeter gets to have of the balls that reyes gets to!!!!!
WOW!!!! if u cant admit that jeter has lost any step he ever had...then i am talking to a blind person!
and the balls that u think that are unbelievable for jeter...reyes gets in his sleep!!!any time a ball is hit anywhere in the middle with jeter its an automatic hit...with reyes he'll get to them... there is no competition here defensively!!
No but the truth is we have Arod whos rane makes up for it in a huge way which makes up for it!
im in shock..and unless u start making any sense im not going to reply to nonsense
thank u for admitting that reyes is much better then jeter defensively
we'll get to third base...sam told me he wants to milk this for all he can get
keep milkin it baby. Im lovin the fight
btw ramon castro just got a triple..u should have seen chugging around the bases lol
Basicly Pecker already said that Jeter wins this debate let me remind you what he said:
"i will concede that i have lost every argument that i had....it is hard to prove someone over such a proven player...but i still believe that reyes will show his potential this season...so making the case for potential over the yankee captain has failed me...ill give in to that..."
Now start with 3rd base before i go crazy with this pathetic argument
i said trying to prove potential over a proven player is hard...but i still believe that he will be better this year...
fernando martinez is awesome!!!
sam please share ur anger with sterling and waldman...or was it a misunderstanding...COLBY RASMUS lol
let me try and see how far the yankee ego goes...
is jeter better then hanley?
hanley is one of the best players in the league.period
Abie is making as much sense as Susan Waldman !!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa louis that was one of the greatest comments ever
as for COLBY RASMUS .
yesterday i was driving with the wife listening to the yankees spring training game in the backround. I was enjoying the sound of baseball even the annoying voice of waldman and the stupidity of sterling wasnt getting under my skin until the following took place, It was around the 5th inning or so and the yanx were officially putting in all the scrubs or prospects in to get a taste or for the yanx to see what they goy. When i hear those sorts of things casually i turn up the volume of the radio bec i love hearing about the yankee farm system. as sterling was announcing the subs he said now playing 3rd for the yanx is a fellow by the name of COLBY RASMUS. then he said and i quote " You know what susan (in his pompas voice) I never heard of this kid have you? then she said " i must confess john either have I" they continued on to say , I know who ajax and gardner are but thats about it. ARE THEY KIDDING ME? AS THE ANNOUNCERS OF THE FREAKIN YANKEES ISNT IT THEIR JOB TO KNOW THE PROSPECTS? THEY ARE A BUNCH OF CLOOLESS IDIOTS. (phew) now that I got that off my chest i can continue my daily life.
great comment louis
btw last yr jeter grounded into 21 dp...where reyes has grounded into 21 dp's in his entire career...talk about an inning killer
btw i entered my 3b already and im waiting for sam to say that we have milked ss for all it can get...just waiting for his side and it'll be posted soon...
can we start a ny rangers blog?????????????
NO ONE MISSED ME HUH....
ARE YOU SKETCHING WE HAVE TO HAVE AN APPROVAL FOR OUR COMMENTS NOW?
I say we all agree not to post anymore until Sam makes a decision on SS
This will be my final thoughts on the Short stop topic.
Bottom line if I had to put money on it I would bet capn jete has the better season. Doese Reyes have potential to have the better year? Probably. But still when its all said and done Ill have to go with jete for the upcomming season. But bec Reyes potential Is far better than jeters potential(for next yr) I will leave it at TBD.
check out my blog david
rangersin7.blogspot.com
this is my final post on this blog.....good bye samiamNOT i believe Momike is creating a blog where LCG media corp and Louis Husney will be posting from now on
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