Dear Mr. Cashman,
I am concerned with the way things are being handled pertaining the Joba chamberlain innings cap situation. Apparently yourself amongst others in the Yankee brass think you solved the problem by moving Joba in and out of the bullpen for this coming up season. I know this idea worked somewhat with the twins and Santana a few years back. But I regret to inform you that this is simply not the answer. Just look at what the Phillies did to Brett Myers. The risk of injury is way too high. Plus it doesn't make sense to take such a talent (Joba)and not utilize him to his max capacity. There are many other options that should be explored, and trust me on this one Mike Mussina is not the answer to anything . No matter how much he's getting paid.
You cannot jeopardize the future of this organization. Its just not fair to anybody.
If you insist on using Mussina as a starter this season and at the same time keep all of the youngsters fresh and capped at a certain number of innings, then how about trying a 6 man rotation? I know You are an avid reader of this blog and remember that I already gave you this idea a few months back. As crazy as it sounds , it makes more sense than guaranteeing a spot to an ineffective moose while you have 3 young studs in the wings.
Sometimes I feel that you simply don't think things through.
I am concerned with the way things are being handled pertaining the Joba chamberlain innings cap situation. Apparently yourself amongst others in the Yankee brass think you solved the problem by moving Joba in and out of the bullpen for this coming up season. I know this idea worked somewhat with the twins and Santana a few years back. But I regret to inform you that this is simply not the answer. Just look at what the Phillies did to Brett Myers. The risk of injury is way too high. Plus it doesn't make sense to take such a talent (Joba)and not utilize him to his max capacity. There are many other options that should be explored, and trust me on this one Mike Mussina is not the answer to anything . No matter how much he's getting paid.
You cannot jeopardize the future of this organization. Its just not fair to anybody.
If you insist on using Mussina as a starter this season and at the same time keep all of the youngsters fresh and capped at a certain number of innings, then how about trying a 6 man rotation? I know You are an avid reader of this blog and remember that I already gave you this idea a few months back. As crazy as it sounds , it makes more sense than guaranteeing a spot to an ineffective moose while you have 3 young studs in the wings.
Sometimes I feel that you simply don't think things through.
ALL THE BEST
SAM I AM
SAM I AM
59 comments:
sam i couldnt agree with u more...he has to start i dont care what happens to his arm...if all the hype around joba is true he must start and be a 16 game winner this year...
however the yankee bullpenis full of rookies and with their rotation of hughes and kennedy and a aging pettite u need a breat bullpen..so cashman get someone for the pen....
finally how can u compare joba to brett myers...brett myers sux!!! mark my words...ive said this from the beginning...he was great in the pen becuz he could let it all loose in one inning...but as a starter he has a rap for losing it when he gives up a couple of hits..or in the words of samiam..he gets "rattled" very easily...he hasnt had a 15 game season in his career!!!! he career era is 4.34! and last year he k's were up becuz he was in the bullpen!u can hold this against me in august or u can praise me then...
i feel like seinfeld with all the exclamation points!!!
joba must start..
again i am the first to blog on this website...i have no life...
GO METS!!!
Sam, as it is, April is full of rain-outs and days off: the yanks usually go with a 4 man rotation.
What would you like them to do in April?
I agree that Moose is worthless but we can't release him or trade him. He is probably worthless in the bullpen too. Where do you want him to go??
Abe, I am posting this comment during class too!!!
i guess i have more classes than you do lol..
I think Joba should start in the pen, and move to the rotation after the break. This way you build up his stamina and he starts when it counts with energy in the tank for the playoffs
Abie, you missed the point on the brett myers thing. I was just pointing out that the way the phills handled the switch hurt him.
BTW Im happy that I can assist you guys flunk college(Abie , Mike) When you guys cant find a job , there will always be a job here for you guys at the blog
im not a joba hater, i just dont agree with the fact that joba should be a starter. His numbers were great as a setup to mariano rivera. i just say take these stupid "joba rules" and forget about them. Hell, he hates them and so does the whole NY! he should continue being a reliver because if he starts theres no way he will be as dominant as he was in the pen. Yankees starting pitching is problematic as is and now by taking chamberlin and putting him in the rotation your just removing one HUGE chunk who basically was the only reason you guys actually made it into october last year and ur pulling him out. Now with out him what is your bullpen like now? MO is almost the age of the number on his back and mussina is probably older than julio franco and cannot get more wins than a Jewish school softball pitcher. Joba isnt the answer to the yankees problems ESPECIALLY in the rotation
Hey sploggerdon, I'm going to have to respecfully disagree with your opinion. BTW JOBA IS A STARTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sam i am, he started his career as a starter yes true, but at this point the yankees should pen him
Mr. sploggerdon,
Yourself and the rest of the media, are basing all of your thoeries on the short stint of greatnes in which joba flashed as a set up man. You arent seeing the big picture. Bottom line hes a starter.
You dont see teams take their best pitcher and turn him into a releiver because he will exel as one...Just imagine the padres making peavy a closer. or king felix as a releiver. or imagine the twins kept johan in the pen or the mariners made randy j a closer back in the day????of course you cant, it just doesnt make sense. so again, dont be fooled by the greatness you saw last year as a releiver. Ill say it again. JOBA IS A STARTER
sam i am,
What do J.J. Putz, Joe Nathan, Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman, Billy Wagner, Bobby Jenks, Francisco Rodriguez and Jonathan Papelbon have in common? Two things: They're all dominant relievers and they were all starters at some point in their Major or Minor League careers.
seems like your the fool, look who you are comparing to joba chamberlin. Several pitchers have been at least somewhat successful going from reliever to starter at various times in their careers, including the Dodgers' Derek Lowe, the Braves' John Smoltz, the Mariners' Miguel Batista and Boston's Tim Wakefield.Late in spring training, another young reliever poised to begin a new career as a starter suddenly changed his mind. Boston's Jonathan Papelbon, who saved 35 games 2 years ago with an 0.92 ERA, asked to return to the closer's role, a request the closer-needy Red Sox gladly granted.
the mistake your making is your thinking baseball in its 30's where relivers dont get noticed,
its relivers who will make most games interesting or finish them up and many pitchers today fear more relivers than starters
one thing to think about is that the yankees did not get johan sanatana...they will be reminded of this every fifth day this season...so with that in mind cashman has to show y joba was untouchable and y hughes was untouchable and finally y he wouldnt offer kennedy in a final offer...for these reasons he must start all 3 of them starting april1st becuz if he doesnt then too many questions will arise and his job will be gone...
I believe cashman is in the final year of his contract so if these 3 dont pan out this year he may have to answer alot of questions..some probably from his couch at home...
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don, your not thinking straight, joba was also a succefull starter in the minors. and the starters youve mentioned above, dont change my mind AT ALL. joba was never a releiver until last year.oh and on papleballs, i think the bosox screwed up
sam,
Smoltz wouldnt change ur mind? 24 wins in 96, 15 in 97 and 17 in 98 and then turned closer and dominated the relief world!
and i find it hard to belive that when the yankees got mariano as a SP, you, sam i am, would have said keep him as a starter! and no look where marianos career took him! a one way ticket to the hall of fame as one of baseballs most dominant closer!
and AAA or AA stats mean nothing just as japanese stats mean squat!
first of all Mo was a short stop up until he was 20 years old.and smoltz was a dominent starter , exactly like you said. which is what JOBA IS A DOMINANT STARTER and i wouldent change that .
ok and did mariano not start games on the yankees?
in 95 he started and went back and forth bet aaa and mlb he posted a a 5-3 record and 5.51 ERA that year. the yanx almost traded him for david wells until one time in a minor league start he started throwing 95-96 mph which changed their mind.then in the alds that year he signified himself as a releiver. All im saying is that joba and mo is like apples and oranges.
i hear what ur trying to say, but im trying to point it out to you that i honestly think joba would be better in the pen, willing to bet on it
There is no way of knowing bec if he goes to the pen and is great again then he moves to the rotation and is mediocre i always could say if he started to begin with this never would have happened plus you got to give him a season or 2 to establish his pitches as a starter and his stamina. and the exact vice vers for you
samiam vs sploggerdon
round 12 FIGHT!
and with the lack of pitching in the yankees rotation you think that removing joba chamberlain from the untalented-until-now bullpen would help you guys? instead of joba pitching to help keep a win for the yanks now he will pitch on a more mediocre scale once every 5 days, u tell me what makes sense
throw away the joba rules and keep a solid reliver
Answer me this one question.
In the playoffs (lets just say they get in with joba as a starter), whats more important to a team in a short series,
A dominant starter, or a Dominant releiver. even if you say that he wont be dominant and he will just be pretty good. I still take that over a dominant releiver. Just based on the fact that if you dont have a lead in the later innings the releiver never gets used. it happened to the yanks a couple of years ago where rivera simply didnt have the opportunity to pitch and he was was wasted. bottom line starters are more important in the playoffs.oh btw JOBA IS A STARTER
ur right, in the playoffs starters are more important as we saw in the 2001 world series where even the starters came in as relivers (please see game 7 2001 world series) but again, lets say now you DO have a lead in the playoffs and you dont have relivers that can cover for you where does that take you? (please see game 2 ALDS 2007)
I dont know about you but i rather be in the situation of having a lead in the late innings of a playoff game then not knowing if you can even get to that spot at all. and like you said, in the playoffs even starters become releivers, so i really dont see where your going with this
im trying to show you how you are underestimating the job of the relivers, and with a pen like the yankees have they should keep mr chamberlain in there
then why aren't johan santana and jake peavy relievers?
according to you steve trachsel should start and eric berdard should relieve...total nonsense!!!!
starters are a ton more valuable to a team than closers- why do you think carlos silva makes the same amount as billy wagner?
max n, if you actually read all the comments b4 chiming in. i already made that point about 20 comments ago.(i just realized that came off rude...sorry)
yeah, a great reliever will shorten games, but a great starter hands the reliever a lead....
i have better things to do than backreading. i see a ridiculous comment, i say something
im talking about your peavy/johan comment
better things to do????? like what??????????????????????????????????
you should be happy someone agrees with you sam. Uh, actually, the whole baseball world agrees with you that starters are more valuable. You don't need me
i actually learn in class
unlike abie and msr,
id hate to eb the one to say i told you so
i'm not saying joba won't be a great reliever. But if he can be a great starter he should. and there's only one way to find out.
if humberto sanchez can pitch effectively after the all star break i think he has the stuff to nail down the eighth. And ohlendorf can also be good. i love his sinker, and i was pleasently surprised at how high his velocity was in september.
Plus, I like albaladejo.
Maybe joba can move to the rotation after the break if theses guys prove capable
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I AGREE WITH SAM ON THIS ONE SORRY DON.
LAST POST SEASON THE CUBS LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND.
WHY?
LOU PINIELLA TOOK OUT ZAMBRANO AFTER 85 PITCHES SATING HE WANTS TO SAVE HIM FOR GAME 4. THEY ENDED UP NOT EVEN MAKING IT TO GAME 4.
IF YOU DONT HAVE STARTING POWER AND YOU WORRY ABOUT LATE INNINGS WHOS TO SAY YOUR GOING TO EVEN HAVE A LEAD THEN? MAYBE WITH MUSSINA YOU'LL BE DOWN 11-1 THEN WHATS JOBA GUNNA DO? EXACTLY..NOTHING. THATS WHY I WOULD RATHER HAVE JOBA START BECAUSE EVEN IF HE GIVES 6 OR 7 INNINGS AND ITS 5-4 YANKS, WE STILL HAVE THE LEAD AND A SHOT TO WIN. THERES NO REASON TO ASSUME FOR LATER BUT ITS TO PLAY FOR NOW.
LOU PINIELLA LEARNED THIS WHEN HE NEVER MADE IT TO GAME 4.
JOBA TO START UNTIL PROVEN HE IS BETTER AT RELIEVER. IF IT DOESNT WORK IM ALL FOR HIM BACK IN THE PEN.
THERE IS AN UNWRITTEN RULE IN BASEBALL THAT MANDATES NEVER LOOKING AHEAD. WIN THE GAME AT HAND AND WORRY ABOUT THE NEXT GAME TOMORROW.
ITS THE SAME THING WITH INNINGS. WORRY ABOUT THE FIRST INNING BEFORE THE NINTH.
OK first of all Sploggerdon you make good points but ultimately i have to agree with Sam a dominant starter is more important then a dominant reliever....and if the Joba experiment does not pan out he can always go back to the pen....also Sploggerdon who are you?
rotoworld just said that the red sox are limiting bucholz to 180-190 innings this year..
i think that we are nearing the days of a 6 man rotation....tony la russa was the first to make a 5 man rotation and he was also the guy who was the first to bat his pitchers 8th in the lineup for a year...
i think that ontop of 6 starters w are going to see middle relief guys be more significant if this limitation on innings is imposed on more young pitchers...
how annoying is this gonna be..whose pitching on friday?..umm lets see johan on saturday pedro on sunday perez on mon,maine on tuesday, this is ridiculous...soon we are gonna give guys days of the week to pitch....eg santana you only pitch on tuesday....maine only has mondays...and trust me bors will get this into contracts..
anyway i shared now back to reality...
louis i am your worst nightmare
Hey Abe, how many of your classes were cancelled in the past 24 hours due to weather??
0...monmouth canceled classes after 6pm last night but i only have day classes...and the rain this morning washed away the snow... so i had my 830 class this morning
I agree that Joba should be a STARTER.
BUT, We need to consider that Joba hasn't thrown that many innings in one season of his young career.
He threw about 115 innings last season.
He is on pace to throw between 140-150 innings this year. Compared to Wang who threw over 200 and Mussina who threw 150 innings last season.
Wang admitted to being physically exhausted in the playoffs, as to the reason he pitched so poorly. AND HE IS ONLY 26 years old.
I want Joba to be a STARTER but we also need him to survive the regular season at the same time so we can thrive in the Playoffs.
Something has to be done. I DON'T believe that using a 6 MAN ROTATION is the way to go.
The other option is exactly what the New Joba Rules imply. These new rules are not the worst thing in the world. I think we need to wait and see how spring training goes, evaluate both Starters and Relievers and come back to this discussion Mid March.
-MSR (reporting from MKTG 320 (sports marketing)
Montclair State stayed open day and night.
We break for no-one and nothing!!
Although i did have my 8:30am class today cancelled cuz my teacher is lazy but my two classes afterwards were in action.
Max N, how was the commute to BCC??
sploggerdon..one question...i am a little worried about rick peterson and johan...i dont like him experimenting with him like he has done with all the other pitchers...does this get u nervous...i know i am...
one of his tactics is having a pitcher throw as hard as they could with their eyes closed..so u can see where their weakness is...eg he'll throw more to one side or high or low etc....one funny story when he tried this with wagner he left the bullpen and watched from the stands...and left castro alone with wagner...
anyways any worries here with this combo of peterson/santana or will it be like peterson/zito?
i dont think im much worried about peterson and santana because look at what ricky did to oakland and he was indeed able to handle a guy like pedro martinez, until he got injured, hes a miracle worker with the mets! eventually he will keep the consistancey in oliver perez and maine. Perez was never able to regain form since his injury and last season we saw some of what oliver perez was 4 years ago when he led the league in strikouts. so if you ask me if im worried? no i dont think so cause ricky knows what calibber pitcher santana is and he knows the flaws that hell work on those only! but you bring up a good point
what will be this years slogan for the mets?....how about...THE FUTURE IS NOW
funny you mentioned it i was talking to one of my friends about it and we came up with a slogan for the 2008 mets inspired by wedding crashers how bout this one "the 2008 mets: YOUR COMIN WITH!!!" haha i thought it was funny and for the yanks we thought about "the 2008 yanks: where over the hill is a good thing"
ATTENTION SAM, WE NEED A NEW P-O-S-T.
wow
instead of wowing why dont u get to work? post it up im in a bashing mood
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